Hispanics and White Criminality are Converging

by Alex Tabarrok August 29, 2021 at 7:24 am in

Keith Humphreys has a good post at the excellent Slow Boring on how Hispanics and White statistics on crime are converging.

An otherwise dull new government report on incarceration contains a startling fact: Hispanics are slightly less likely to be jailed than whites. It’s one of multiple unappreciated signs of fading disparities between Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites in the criminal justice system, a phenomenon with substantial implications both for the future of reform and electoral politics.

To be clear this is about jails not prisons where there are still differences but those differences are also rapidly converging. Hispanics are also joining police forces in much higher numbers.

Parallel changes appear in who the criminal justice system employs. From 1997 to 2016, the proportion of police officers who were African-American was stable, whereas the proportion who were Hispanic increased 61%. This helps explain why a June 2021 Gallup poll found that the proportion of Hispanics expressing "a lot" or "a great deal" of trust in police was 49%, almost as high as whites (56%), and far greater than that of African-Americans (27%). Hispanic views on policing and crime may also be similar to whites because the two groups rate of being violent crime victims is almost identical (21.3 per thousand persons for Hispanics, 21.0 for whites).

Maybe systemic racism isn’t so systemic after all.

…in an era of widespread despair about criminal justice reform and racism in America more generally, the declining disparities between Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites merit reflection. A generation ago, the idea that such disparities would dramatically shrink or even disappear within the criminal justice system would have sounded naive. The fading of disparities should inspire reformers to even greater heights and also reduce cynicism about the alleged intractability of prejudice within American society.

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Bryan L

2021-08-29 07:45:52
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100 years ago Italians and other European Catholics were considered basically a different race. Now they're white without any asterisk. Perhaps Hispanics are undergoing the same transition.

Luka

2021-08-29 10:18:52
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Italians are actually European the same with Greeks, Slavs, Irish etc. The first immigration law in the United States stipulated only free whites could be citizens. To my knowledge the Italians and the Irish were never denied citizenship under the guise they weren't white the way some free blacks, Chinese, and South Asians had been.

The average Latino has something like 30-40% non-European admixture. So, we'll see if they "converge".

Niko Davor

2021-08-29 10:04:15
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Yes, there was group conflict, hatred, discrimination, and exclusion, among different groups of white people, such as the Italians, but the Italians were always white, they saw themselves as white, and were considered by others as white.

This is the same for groups of Africans, American Indians, Asian Indians, East-Asians, and everyone else.

There have been tons of bitter conflicts between very similar groups of people: consider the Rwandan conflict between the Tutsis and the Hutus. They both saw themselves and each other as Sub-Saharan blacks.

The better point is that many Mexicans and others from Latin America look visibly white or very close to white and identify as white hispanics.

Moral Panic

2021-08-29 10:26:30
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Should the report have distinguished between white Hispanics and non-white Hispanics? The two trends could differ significantly if there is bias against dark-skinned Hispanics, and less against others such as light-skinned Cubans in Florida. Or for other differences between black and white Hispanics to assess "assimilation" within subgroups.

Morris Applebaum IV

2021-08-29 10:45:51
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They, including Jews, were definitely on the White team, which was the most crucial classification, though definitely not treated fully equal.

One of the most hilarious things is to see how the White nationalists have totally retconned this history, turning White immigrationists like Emma Lazarus into a bogeyman (I wonder why, rolleyes) while whitewashing the fact that 1924 marked the beginning of the end of European America.

So Much For Subtlety

2021-08-29 07:56:57
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Bet they weren't.

The social construction of race

2021-08-29 09:00:56
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There is absolutely no doubt that the Nazis did not consider Slavs, whether Polish Catholics or Russian Orthodox, to be anything but Untermensch. Let wikipedia refresh our memory of a time when when racism was less scientific than today.

Untermensch (underman, sub-man, subhuman; plural: Untermenschen) is a Nazi term for non-Aryan "inferior people" often referred to as "the masses from the East", that is Jews, Roma, and Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and Serbs etc).

Not that anyone commenting here would ever agree with the sort of racial ideology the Nazi used as the foundation of their beliefs. But wikipedia again provides a reminder that not all Italians were created equal. "During the majority of American history, Sicilians were often not considered white. Around 1900, as Sicilians were disembarking at Ellis Island and New Orleans by the millions, they were required to check off "Southern Italian" or "Sicilian" rather than "White" on entry forms.

Emigration from Sicily to the United States began before Italian unification and reached its peak at a time when regional differences were still very strong and marked, both linguistically and ethnically. Therefore, many of the Sicilian immigrants identified (and still identify) primarily on a regional rather than a national basis. This difference has largely contributed to Sicilians identifying or being labeled as non-white in America.

Dino the Isaurian

2021-08-29 09:12:16
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The position of Greeks immigrants demonstrates the arbitrariness of such classifications. As far as I know they were always considered white as opposed to southern Italians. Despite being genetically similar and having been dominated by Turks for longer than Sicilians had been.

Moral Panic

2021-08-29 10:29:43
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What it means to be "southern Italian" will also become blurrier as the region absorbs signifcant immigration from Africa and the Mideast, while the northern region has more relative prosperity and ethnic stability.

Dino the Isaurian

2021-08-29 10:37:30
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Southern Italy and Sicily have always been demographically different than northern Italy.

Both were part of Magna Graecia before Roman times. Sicily was also within the Punic sphere of influence.

In late antiquity and early medieval times Sicily bounced between North African and Byzantine control. While southern Italy remained within the Byzantine empire until the Norman conquests in the 11th century. The Lombard invasion and occupation that formed modern Italy proceeded into both regions very slowly - over many many centuries as opposed to northern Italy.

JDaveF

2021-08-29 08:25:53
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Everyone incarcerated is innocent - just ask them. Another lesser known fact - I've worked in emergency departments for 27 years. Everyone bitten by a police dog had the dog sicced on them for no reason - I asked.

Eq

2021-08-29 09:02:34
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Is it 1) evocative 2) corny 3) tactiturn

Fdi, stick, matter

The warriors present. 2 stretches before noon, one afternoon.

Arjun our moon our June that’s them our thunder!

Scalp everyone

SpeculativeDiction

2021-08-29 08:12:58
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This seems like a data point supporting the conclusions of Eric Kaufman in his book Whiteshift. The end of the white majority in many countries and its implications has been called far too prematurely and funnily enough the CRT terminology referring to white people by phrases like "people who think of themselves as white" might be bang on the money.

More broadly it also seems like a point strongly supportive of the immigration policies implemented by the USA/CA/UK/AUS/NZ in regards to allowing in large numbers of Hispanics and Asians. Especially when you consider the overall positive effects of immigration compared to the depopulation occurring in parts of East Asia.

Luka

2021-08-29 10:25:51
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The politcal situation on the modern West gives every incentive for "marginally white" people to not identify as white. The end of the white majority is probably coming even faster.

TMC

2021-08-29 10:00:33
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"Maybe systemic racism isn’t so systemic after all."
Maybe it not even racism either.

This is a rarity

2021-08-29 07:36:37
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Normally, it is Tyler that completely ignores something already posted by Alex.

dearieme

2021-08-29 08:33:54
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You are surely not suggesting that neither blogger actually reads the blog?

... dropouts of the world, goof off

2021-08-29 08:48:05
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... bcz unlike the rest of us, they actually have sh*t to do?

Or equally plausibly

2021-08-29 09:04:23
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... bcz unlike the rest of us, they actually know this place is not intended to be taken seriously?

M

2021-08-29 09:19:14
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The repostest with the mostest...

B.B.

2021-08-29 09:33:35
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The post seems confusing.

Is the issue that Hispanic crime has fallen to white levels, thereby reducing the relative number going to jail?

Or is the issue that we are locking up fewer criminals?

The former is good, the latter is bad.

The post radiates an ugly woke attitude that it is unfair to lock criminals of color, so just let them commit crimes with impunity. It is an attitude that "equity" does not include personal safety and security or protection of rights.

We can see the results on the streets of major cities.

Bill

2021-08-29 08:14:47
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It is interesting to note that incarceration is the end stage, and not the initial stage, of criminal activity.

So, if a police or sheriff's offices targets hispanics, and then becomes subject to, say, a consent decree, or one sheriff is replaced by a different sheriff more representative of a community, incarceration rates or sentencing recommendations may change. Or, perhaps, probation becomes the remedy, and not incarceration; or perhaps, drug laws change, etc.

Simple graphs like this may look interesting, but don't tell a story.

Go local. Or, at least state wide. Or even county by county. Then compare for the same crime.

Luka

2021-08-29 10:27:49
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They also live longer than white.

https://www.prb.org/resources/new-studies-link-u-s-hispanics-longer-life-expectancy-to-migration-patterns-less-smoking/

chrisare

2021-08-29 09:43:20
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So nice we had to read it twice?

Dr. joe bidens alsatian, ph.d

2021-08-29 10:36:21
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if
you wanna see how fast a sociologist can run away
ask them about the link between the biggest violent crime spike in a generation & the lefty eliteX progressive" historic" criminal justice reforms

Ralph L.

2021-08-29 09:20:22
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Race is made up. It’s effectively a fashion. Fashions change.

ABC

2021-08-29 10:02:34
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The irony being you can change every part of your appearance sans the color of your skin

MB

2021-08-29 08:10:21
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In the past Latinos would identify as whites after couple generations. I wonder if more Latinos are remaining Latino, diluting the Latino criminals while concentrating white criminals.

Dino the Isaurian

2021-08-29 09:20:37
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It’s interesting and appalling to me that the CRT racists and neo white supremacists both operate on the old south one drop racial classification system. So a person with one black and seven white great grand parents is considered black or poc and not white.

Why, for example is Megan Markle black and not white? For that matter why is Barrack Obama?

Asking that question of the new racists results in shock and indignation - how dare you suggest that the noble person is a whitey. Which says a lot about where we are at and the real value of so called white privilege.

Morris Applebaum IV

2021-08-29 10:28:02
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It's totally absurd, but add to the toxic mix "Affirmative Action" (anti-White hate legislation), then you'll see everyone and their brother trying to be non-White. If the Supreme Court can eliminate this discrimination (something that would take considerable political skills, not merely a 5-4 majority), we might see movement away from the one drop rule.

Patrick

2021-08-29 10:40:43
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My Jewish neighbors told me they were trying to get into a local school long ago, but were refused. The administrator said there was no chance, unless perhaps they had some American Indian blood to which they both blurted out that they did in fact.

Zaua

2021-08-29 09:35:35
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I think race is a matter of social perception and not genetics. Markle and Obama are black because society generally views them as black. Most people who are half white and half any kind of minority in the US are generally be viewed as non-white, perhaps because being white is sort of a default state whereas being non-white stands out.

Dino the Isaurian

2021-08-29 10:21:03
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Alternatively, being "brown" has social cache and the possibility of real benefits via government policy - in affirmative hiring practices. While being "white" is all downside.

So people of mixed ancestry will gravitate towards identifying in ways that provide the most benefits. There is also the case of people,flat out lying about their ancestry - such as Elizabeth Warren, and Ward Churchill. Perhaps they lied to themselves first and actually came to believe that despite blue eyes and pink skin they really were POC.

There is a historical analog to this behavior. During Jim Crow it was common for light skinned mixed race people to "pass" as white. And or claim middle eastern ancestry that did not carry the liability of African descent.

All of this is relevant to the issue of Hispanic identity because most Latin Americans are mestizos - people with mixed Native American and European ancestry. Often with very little Native American. They would be "white" in Latin America - but become "colored" here.

It’s all just a weird aspect of certain American sub-cultures, one shared by progressives and the racist whright - which otherwise are polar opposites.

Zaua

2021-08-29 10:29:41
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Mixed people were generally identified as minority even in older times when being white is obviously advantaged though. Race is about how others perceive you, not how you perceive yourself. You can self-identify as black all you want but if everyone around you sees you as white that’s how you’ll be treated. And vice versa.

I also don’t agree with the idea of being white having all downsides. I’ve heard stories from non-white friends of discrimination that they’ve encountered and am quite glad I don’t have to deal with that. Just the other day, a friend who was looking for an apartment showed me some emails he exchanged with the landlord where the landlord originally told him it was unavailable and then came back a few days later and said now it’s available because he found out the tenant who reserved previously was black. I also see a taste of it from what my non-white spouse goes through. I’m against affirmative action but it is a tiny price to pay for the advantages of being treated as white.

Let me introduce you the America ink theory and the term passing

2021-08-29 10:33:43
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'but if everyone around you sees you as white that’s how you’ll be treated'
Until it is discovered you are breaking the law by passing. You seem to have some serious gaps in your knowledge of the Jim Crow era.

Dino the Isaurian

2021-08-29 10:42:12
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I also don’t agree with the idea of being white having all downsides. I’ve heard stories from non-white friends of discrimination that they’ve encountered and am quite glad I don’t have to deal with that.

I’ve noticed that non whites tend to view setbacks and interpersonal conflicts through a racial prism to a much greater degree than white people do.

So some slight is seen as racially motivated by poc where as whites will just think the other person is a jerk or a-hole.

Let me introduce you the America ink theory and the term passing

2021-08-29 10:28:03
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Or as other people have called it, the one drop rule. A single drop of ink makes clear water colored, never to be clear again. Or to be more legally specific, one drop of black blood.

The original inhabitants of Virginia looked very different from the European immigrants who started arriving after Christopher Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492. The Africans brought to Virginia in colonial times were easily distinguished from both Europeans and Native Americans - initially. However, once people of different races produced mixed offspring with a range of skin colors and facial features, the ability to distinguish someone's "race" just from appearance became more challenging.

Offspring of whites and blacks ended up being categorized based on the status of the mother. All children of female slaves inherited the status of slavery, no matter what the status of the father. Children of a free black mother gained status as a free person of color. Mixed-race children with a white mother faced discrimination, but were not consigned to slavery. Native Americans used different criteria, and considered a child of a Native American father or mother to be "Indian."

The existence of a category other than white or black caused great difficulty during the era of government-enforced segregation, when racial status defined one's right to eat in a restaurant, sit on a bus, or attend school. In 1924, Virginia officials sought to cut through the confusion and eliminate the potential for light-skinned blacks to "pass" as whites, by categorizing any child with one drop of black ancestry as a black person.
http://www.virginiaplaces.org/population/onedrop.html

Here is some text from the 1924 Racial Integrity Act. For the purpose of this act, the term "white person" shall apply only to the person who has no trace whatsoever of any blood other than Caucasian; but persons who have one-sixteenth or less of the blood of the American Indian and have no other non-Caucasic blood shall be deemed to be white persons.

As this should make clear, the problem was not with non-white people standing out, the problem was with non-white people not standing out enough so as to be legally discriminated against.

Zaua

2021-08-29 10:41:59
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That kind of proves my point though. If someone with one-drop was historically treated as non-white by government, society, etc., they are effectively non-white even if their genetics are mostly European. What matters to your life is how you are treated, not what your genes are.

If you believe that people who were historically discriminated against should now get compensation, and the group that was historically discriminated against is "anyone with one drop of non-white blood," then logically the group that should be compensated should be defined in the same way.

Dino the Isaurian

2021-08-29 10:47:37
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Or as other people have called it, the one drop rule. A single drop of ink makes clear water colored, never to be clear again

In my youth there were still no-shit racists about that stated the proposition thusly "if you get a piece of [email protected] in your ice cream, would you eat it." Which even then was offensive as h-ll.

It’s should be equally offensive that today’s woke embrace the same sentiment.

Luka

2021-08-29 10:22:04
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The most recent census suggests Latinos are now more likely to identify with and even emphasis that they are not white.

Mert Mere

2021-08-29 08:35:07
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Here are some texts written about 80-90 years ago, that can explane some basics of HAPINESS and PEACE in the Family and in The COUNTRY :

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– MATERIALISTIC PHILOSOPHY accepts;

‘Force’ as its point of support in the life of society.

It considers its aim to be ‘benefits’.

The principle of its life it recognizes to be ‘conflict’.

It holds the bond between communities to be ‘racialism and negative nationalism’.

Its fruits are ‘gratifying the appetites of the soul and increasing human needs’.

However;

The mark of force is ‘aggression’.

The mark of benefit – since they are insufficient for every desire – is ‘jostling and tussling’.

While the mark of conflict is ‘strife’.

And the mark of racialism –since it is nourished by devouring others– is ‘aggression’.

It is for these reasons that it has negated the happiness of mankind.

– As for the WISDOM of the FAITH;

Its point of support is ‘truth’ instead of force.

It takes ‘virtue and God’s pleasure’ as its aims in place of benefits.

It takes the principle of ‘mutual assistance’ as the principle of life in place of the principle of conflict.

And it takes ‘the ties of religion, class, and country’ to be the ties bonding communities, instead of the race.

Its aim is to form a barrier against the lusts of the soul, urge the spirit to sublime matters, satisfy the high emotions, and urging man to the human perfections, make him a true human being.

And the mark of ‘the truth’ is accord.

The mark of virtue is ‘solidarity’.

The mark of mutual assistance is ‘hastening to assist one another’.

The mark of religion is ‘brotherhood’ and ‘attraction’.

And the mark of reining in and tethering the soul and leaving the spirit free and urging it towards perfections is ‘happiness in this world and the next’.
….

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According to the principles of materialistic philosophy, power is approved. "Might is right" is the norm, even. It says, "All power to the strongest." "The winner takes all," and, "In power there is right"(*). It has given moral support to tyranny, encouraged despots, and urged oppressors to claim divinity.

(*)The principle of prophethood says: "Power is in right; right is not in power." It thus halts tyranny and ensures justice.

….
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Indeed, youth heeds the emotions rather than reason, and emotions and desires are blind; they do not consider the consequences. They prefer one ounce of immediate pleasure to tons of future pleasure.

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Destruction Is Easy; The Weak Person Is Destructive:

The condition of the existence of the whole is the existence of all the parts; while its non-
existence may be through the non-existence of one of its parts; so destruction is easy. It is because of this that the impotent man never approaches anything positively and constructively; he always acts negatively, and is always destructive.

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The Tenth Word

FIRST POINT
We shall indicate, as a measure, only four out of hundreds of proofs that belief in the hereafter is fundamental to the life of society and to man’s personal life, and is the basis of his happiness, prosperity, and achievement.

T h e F i r s t : It is only with the thought of Paradise that children, who form almost a half of mankind, can endure all the deaths around them, which appear to them to be grievous and frightening, and strengthen the morale of their weak and delicate beings. Through Paradise they find hope in their vulnerable spirits, prone to weeping, and may live happily. For example, with the thought of Paradise, one may say: "My little brother or friend has died and become a bird in Paradise. He is flying around Paradise and living more happily than us." The frequent deaths before their unhappy eyes of other children like themselves or of grown-ups will otherwise destroy all their resistance and morale, making their subtle faculties like their spirits, hearts, and minds weep in addition to their eyes; they will either decline utterly or become crazy, wretched animals.

S e c o n d P r o o f : It is only through the life of the hereafter that the elderly, who form half of mankind, can endure the proximity of the grave, and be consoled at the thought that their lives, to which they are firmly attached, will soon be extinguished and their fine worlds come to an end. It is only at the hope of eternal life that they can respond to the grievous despair they feel in their emotional child-like spirits at the thought of death. Those worthy, anxious fathers and mothers, so deserving of compassion and in need of tranquillity and peace of mind, will otherwise feel a terrible spiritual turmoil and distress in their hearts, and this world will become a dark prison for them, and life even, grievous torment.

F o u r t h P r o o f : The most comprehensive centre of man’s worldly life, and its mainspring, and a paradise, refuge, and fortress of worldly happiness, is the life of the family. Everyone’s home is a small world for him. And the life and happiness of his home and family are possible through genuine, earnest, and loyal respect and true, tender, and self-sacrificing compassion. This true respect and genuine kindness may be achieved with the idea of the members of the family having an everlasting companionship and friendship and togetherness, and their parental, filial, brotherly, and friendly relations continuing for all eternity in a limitless life, and their believing this. One says, for example: "My wife will be my constant companion in an everlasting world and eternal life. It does not matter if she is now old and ugly, for she will have an immortal beauty." He will tell himself that he will be as kind and devoted as he can for the sake of that permanent companionship, and treat his elderly wife lovingly and kindly. A companionship that was to end in eternal separation after an hour or two of brief, apparent friendship would otherwise afford only superficial, temporary, feigned, animal-like feelings, and false compassion and artificial respect. As with animals, self-interest and other overpowering emotions would prevail over the respect and compassion, transforming that worldly paradise into Hell.

The sociologists, politicians, and moralists, who govern mankind and are concerned with its social and moral questions should be aware of this! How do they propose to fill this vacuum? With what can they cure these deep wounds?

Wellington

2021-08-29 09:40:22
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This is the Irish all over again.

Colonel Chestbridge

2021-08-29 10:27:28
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lefty stupid & eliteX funny are converging into transcendental lefty eliteX stupid funny
hollywood celebrities lecture us on bathing frequency
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-often-should-you-shower-celebrities-ignite-a-ferocious-debate-11630152001
sunday=pancakes & hurricanes

Bloch

2021-08-29 09:26:53
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Showing data that every minority group other than blacks can succeed in America doesn't disprove systemic racism. It literally proves it. What kinda backwards-ass...

Mike

2021-08-29 08:29:05
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Systematic racism surely does exist, but against African Americans, not against most if any Hispanics. It’s still an unaddressed post-slavery problem in the US

Anti-Gnostic

2021-08-29 09:18:39
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This is the only answer the Narrative will permit. Because people of every hue and appearance show up and thrive. And blacks remain the only group who'll pull down property values.

But this answer is problematic too. Because it means every immigrant group that comes in just moves blacks down another place on the totem pole.

Dino the Isaurian

2021-08-29 09:25:15
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What are the country(s) where blacks do better than they do in the US?

And furthermore

2021-08-29 09:48:27
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Since the answer is "literally nowhere," why does this mean the US owes reparations money to blacks?

Dino the Isaurian

2021-08-29 10:31:00
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Who said that it did?

It seams to me that if life is unbearably difficult here for someone the obvious solution is to move to greener pastures. I’ve done that myself. People as individuals and groups have done that through recorded and pre recorded history. And tens of millions of people over the last couple of centuries moved to the Americas for that very reason.

So I don’t see anything wrong with offering that as a solution to people that feel they are systemically oppressed. Which leads to the question of where is better.

Zaua

2021-08-29 10:02:58
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It’s not "literally nowhere." The GDP per capita of the Seychelles which is nearly all black is higher than the per capita income of African-Americans.

But every group does better in America than anywhere else. You’d only be able to point to a few small nations with massive comparative advantages where people do better than the same-race Americans, maybe Norway, Singapore, and the Gulf States? America is simply an incredibly rich country and that makes all groups in it rich.

PHinton

2021-08-29 10:46:50
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Seychelles appears to have a population of 100K. With a GDP per capita around $15k ($14.2K for 2019)....You can bet median income is below that. I don't think this is the good example you think it is.

US black median income is around $35K. Asian is $53k. White non-hispanic is $50K.

> But every group does better in America than anywhere else.

But that statement wasn't true in 1850. But it is true today. Hard to claim "systemic racism" when everyone is doing better in the US than the country their ancestors immigrated from (voluntarily or not). That is true if you immigrated 5 years ago or 250 years ago.

If you and your brother were hanging out in western africa in 1700 and the slave traders captured your brother and took him to the new world to harvest crops, you were the luckier person at the time because you got to stay in your home country while your brother was forcibly removed and usually made to work in brutal conditions. But 250 years later, the misfortune your brother experienced resulted in descendants that were in much better shape in every metric we could imagine. Meanwhile, your descendants are still living in a country with very poor metrics.

In other words, in the year 2020, if you are black, would you rather be living in Gabon or the United States? Answer: United States.

So, it was worse for your brother at the time, but his suffering gave his descendants an amazing gift...

Zaua

2021-08-29 10:00:01
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That’s only problematic if you believe races are on a totem pole.

Patrick

2021-08-29 10:41:55
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Please explain why then some of the most extreme racists towards black that I've ever met are Asian? And I don't mean Asians in the US.

Dr. joe bidens alsatian, ph.d

2021-08-29 09:08:53
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when lefty eliteX use the word "systemic" it is usually a systemic grift
bonus trivia - objectivity is also not a manifestation of "whiteness"

Mike

2021-08-29 10:46:19
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Some of these posters could benefit from spending some time walking in another’s shoes. Racism (I won’t call it "systemic" as it seems some don’t like the word, which admittedly sounds academic even if it’s accurate) against Blacks is a real problem. I suppose it’s not a problem if you’re not Black and you don’t care, but the fact that
all immigrant groups to the US thrive in our liberty doesn’t mean there wasn’t a huge historical injustice that continued until 50 years ago, not long ago at all, and hasn’t been fully addressed. I don’t mean reparations, I just mean an honest reckoning of what happened and what it’s present-day effects are

So Much For Subtlety

2021-08-29 07:29:15
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The claim that the justice system was biased against minorities was always nonsense. It did not need Hispanics to show this - Asians and Jews have been important communities for longer and even less likely to be jailed than Whites. Well, it is a bit more complicated because Jewish Americans do seem overly represented in financial crimes but that may be because more Jews work in the financial sector.

Still, the community *least* likely to be stopped by the police while driving are Hispanics.

So Much For Subtlety

2021-08-29 07:33:49
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The fading of disparities should inspire reformers to even greater heights and also reduce cynicism about the alleged intractability of prejudice within American society.

This assumes that these results are *because* of the reformers. Not *despite*.

I do not know of a single reform to the justice system or a single demand by a reformer that is not aimed at making the system worse. Either by direct intent or implicitly. Obviously but implicitly.

Jonathan Vausr

2021-08-29 07:59:48
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at least the second part of the sentence still stands, if they'd only said 'effectively eliminate', or sth

dave schutz

2021-08-29 10:05:04
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Rather than 'to even greater heights' I think reformers should be inspired to consider carefully what are the differences and how to adjust the incentives for both Blacks and police to make their situation more like the Hispanic.

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